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#33

What clubs consistently underestimate in their fan journey

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Lukas Mikkel Hansen
Country Manager, North America
Playmakers

Introduction

Lukas Mikkel Hansen works at the intersection of CRM, automation, and commercial operations in football. As Country Manager North America at Playmakers, he helps clubs in Europe and the US move away from one-off campaigns toward always-on communication systems that run across an entire season.

Based in New York, Lukas works hands-on with clubs to segment fan bases, automate weekly comms, and turn existing data into repeatable revenue from tickets, merch, and partners. His perspective is shaped less by tools and more by how systems behave over time under real operational constraints.

In this interview, we talk about always-on campaigns, timing over tactics, and what actually compounds when clubs stop thinking matchday by matchday.

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Across all the clubs you’ve worked with, which 2–3 fan segments tend to unlock disproportionate commercial impact once they’re finally defined properly?

Season ticket holders who don’t actually show up. Clubs often overlook how costly empty seats from their most loyal fans are. The best-run clubs actively manage this, with incentives or penalties, and end up reselling the same seat more than once on average.

Families are another big one. Their buying logic is different. They plan earlier, respond to different messages, and behave much less impulsively than other segments.

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If you map a full fan journey, which non-matchday moment tends to be most undervalued commercially?

Matchday +1. The day after the game. That’s when momentum is still there and can be utilized to push the next game. Thank fans for coming, reset the narrative after a loss, and jumpstart the next sales cycle. Many clubs just go silent instead.

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Across a full season, which type of always-on campaign tends to outperform others most consistently?

Ticket urgency closer to kickoff. Simple reminders a few days before the match that seats are running out, or specific sections are nearly full. It’s not fancy, but it works again and again.

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Reflections

What I appreciate about this conversation with Lukas  is not that it introduces something radically new.

It’s that it confirms, very calmly, where the real leverage in football CRM actually sits.

Three answers. No buzzwords. But each of them points to a structural truth clubs still underestimate.

1. Segments are not personas. They are economic problems.

The most important segment Lukas mentions is not surprising, but it is still massively under-managed:
season ticket holders who don’t show up.

This is a perfect example of how clubs misunderstand segmentation. They treat it as a marketing exercise. In reality, it’s an economic control system.

Empty seats are not a fan engagement issue.
They are a revenue leakage problem with second-order effects:

  • lost matchday spend
  • worse atmosphere
  • weaker urgency for single-match buyers
  • poorer optics for sponsors

The key insight here is that loyalty without attendance is not neutral. It’s actively destructive if unmanaged.

From a CRM perspective, this means clubs should stop segmenting fans by static labels and start segmenting by behavioural deltas:

  • attendance frequency declining
  • late cancellations
  • repeated no-shows

Actionable takeaway:
Every club should have a live segment called something like “STH at risk of non-attendance” and attach rules, not campaigns, to it. That can mean incentives, resale nudges, or even soft penalties. The exact tactic matters less than the fact that the segment exists and is monitored weekly.

Families are the second segment Lukas highlights, and again, this reinforces something I see constantly: planning behaviour beats impulse behaviour when volume and predictability matter.

Families buy earlier. They need reassurance. They respond to clarity, not urgency blasts. Treating them like ultras or casual fans is a guaranteed conversion loss.

CRM maturity starts when clubs accept that different segments require different operational rhythms, not just different messages.

2. Matchday +1 is not a “nice to have”. It’s a system handover point.

The most underrated moment in the fan journey, according to Lukas, is the day after the game.

I fully agree.

Matchday +1 is not about nostalgia or emotional storytelling but a handover moment between cycles.

What most clubs do:

  • hype before the game
  • silence after the final whistle

What should happen instead:

  • acknowledge attendance or engagement
  • reset the narrative (especially after losses)
  • redirect attention to the next meaningful action

From a systems perspective, Matchday +1 is where:

  • attention is still warm
  • context is fresh
  • the next decision can be shaped

Actionable takeaway:
Every club should run a permanent Matchday +1 automation with conditional logic:

  • attendee vs. non-attendee
  • win vs. loss
  • next home game timing

This doesn’t require complex tooling. It requires discipline and ownership. Once this automation exists, it quietly compounds across an entire season.

3. Always-on does not mean clever. It means reliable.

The most effective always-on campaign Lukas mentions is almost boring:
ticket urgency close to kickoff.

And that’s exactly the point.

In CRM, effectiveness is often inversely correlated with how clever something looks in a slide deck.

Urgency works because:

  • it aligns with real decision timing
  • it reduces optionality
  • it mirrors natural fan behaviour

The mistake many clubs make is treating always-on campaigns like “background noise”. They over-design them, over-segment them, and then lose trust in them when results flatten.

In reality, the best always-on campaigns behave like infrastructure:

  • simple
  • predictable
  • constantly running
  • rarely discussed

Actionable takeaway:
If a club wants to test whether its CRM setup is mature, ask this question:
“Which campaigns would still run flawlessly if our CRM manager was sick for two weeks?”

If the answer is “none”, you don’t have automation. You have scheduled tasks.

The bigger picture

What ties all of Lukas’ answers together is a shared underlying belief: CRM is not a marketing layer. It’s an operating system.

Segments are control variables. Journeys are feedback loops. Always-on campaigns are load-bearing systems.

This is also where I believe the conversation in football needs to move next.

Clubs don’t lose money because they lack creativity.
They lose money because they lack systems that behave well under real-world constraints.

This interview reinforces something I see again and again in my work:
the clubs that win commercially are not doing radically different things.
They are doing a few fundamental things consistently, season-long, and without drama.

That’s not a tooling problem.
It’s a systems mindset.

And that’s where real CRM maturity begins.

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Lukas Mikkel Hansen
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